The Cyborg version of Frieza, or his older brother? He wouldn't confront Goku, knowing how strong his Super Saiyan form is, without powering up. Frieza did mention he had been improved and was stronger as Mecha Frieza. Messages: 9,370 Likes Received: 0 Trophy Points: 0 Joined: Aug 11, 2007 Reputation: Wasteland 100m This thread is a trap and I'm using it to prove a point later on. 0. Okay so Super Saiyan Goku's power level on Namek was 150,000,0000, while Frieza's was 120,000,000, Goku beats Frieza and he is brought back as Mecha Frieza, who was said to be even stronger than his final form on Namek although we aren't given an exact amount. Desperate for a genuine challenge, Ize killed his way across the galaxy before learning about the existence of Earth. In the battle with Frieza as well, they move so fast that it's barely noticeable to Krillin who's a human being. Supernova was only seen in the anime, movies and Bardock special. Neither, as they are not over nine thousand.... ...s stronger than Cell.Proof? king of Jobbers gets chopped in half by death saucers. 100% is slow and he loses energy fast. He shot another one that pushed Trunks back. Mecha Frieza was chopped up by a sword, lol. @overlordarthas: The super nova is the one that looks like a mini star. How can Namek saga Frieza be smarter than Mecha Frieza. Also, your comparison of raditz vs Goku's KHH, remember that Kami told goku to not waste his energy by using it in useless movements, so he keeps himself suppressed most of the time, and that's why his power lowered down again after doing KHH. You literally said that Frieza didn't power up because it was never noted... That's what we logical thinkers like to call a logical fallacy. I'm pretty sure Trunks would've chopped up organic Frieza the same way. Mecha-Frieza Was Stronger than He Was on Namek "Papa, if the two of us fight him together, we're sure to beat him." Dragon Ball: 5 Moves Stronger Than Frieza's Death Ball (& 5 That Are Weaker) Out of every Dragon Ball villain we've come to known over the years, Frieza is definitely one we wouldn't want to run into alone. Frieza is spiteful and hate fueled, but he's not stupid. What does that have to do with anything? He normally has four forms, though he has an additional Mecha form, a Golden Form, and also a few additional video game exclusive forms. 0. Gohan mentions Frieza is suppressed and there is never any mention of him powering up, however having him killed off not at full power doesn't make sense story telling wise. @thedarkpaladin: I wish they made it more clear. Thread starter Trollasaur; Start date Aug 8, 2013; 1; 2; Next. In Dragon Ball Heroes there is a version of Golden Frieza called "Rage Golden Frieza" which is an empowered version of Golden Frieza fuelled by Rage which also appears in Super as well. So for a all we know, he I meant stamina/endurance issues. Cooler is stronger than Frieza, thus he is stronger than King Cold. I just don't think Frieza fully powered up. It's safe to say that he was stronger than he was on Namek. Also whenever Frieza powers up it is shown. Of course not. @overlordarthas: @sineyaprime: @redhood_jaytodd: Future trunks = Namek goku ONE SHOTTED mecha freeza. Never change. I think the most likely scenario is his blast was powered up but he didn't raise his actual power level. Freeza was just some pieces floating in space for over 1 yr before he was turned into mecha, probably unconscious, and mecha freeza >>> pieces of freeza in space, so he might feel powered up even if he's nowhere near namek arc 100%. He was at 50% fighting Goku then for one attack he hit Goku with 70% of his power. Why is the DeathClaw stronger then the Yao Guai even though Bears are stronger then lizards IRL? Also, was that thing in super too? Frieza is a lizard-like alien whom some refer to as a changeling, Ice-jin, a Frost Demon, or an Arcosian. Every single powerup / powerdown was noted from that mini-arc, Almost every single minor detail was noted , especially in battle, everything was noted, BUT the only thing, which was not noted, is a speculation - where you assume without any evidence that freeza was suppressed and powered up to attack trunks, while no one notes, and everyone seems to ignore. The funny thing is, your own scans on post #24 say otherwise... Frieza stated his cyborg body is stronger than his organic body, I see no reason why we couldn't trust him. He wouldn't confront Goku, knowing how strong his Super Saiyan form is, without powering up. Goku in his base form in Resurrection F is stronger than Kid Buu so clearly, Frieza with his Golden form is significantly stronger. Death Ball is the attack he used to destroy Namek. ultimately Freeza is lazy. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. In Dragon Ball, who is more powerful 100%, Frieza or Mecha frieza? In that case coole... ...r is actually is stronger than Frieza. Future Gohan SSJ vs Mecha Frieza. I don't really see why he would either, but the fight happend so fast there is really no way to know. By Lavell Dec 08, 2019. It should be noted that the Dragon Ball Minus manga shows him blowing up planet Vegeta with a similar blast. Even if he wasn't using 100% (no real way to know) then subject would be left entirely up to speculation. Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a Super Saiyan. Yeah, I can't really see why Frieza would hold back after finding out that Trunks was an SSJ. it is differant in the anime and the manga but frieza blast that could kill vegita did little to trunks . It's up for interpretation. The Frieza clones created by Android 21 are mindless drones, only being aware of how to fight like their template. Frieza is spiteful and hate fueled, but he's not stupid. Considering that Goku's powers have risen exponentially since then and when the Androids arrive on earth, the fighting sequences which depict them just do not have the velocity it had in Frieza Saga. Frieza was probably scared of him, if he knew of his e... Grey Buu is stronger. Due to the damage that he had gained by Super Saiyan Goku, and the destruction of Namek, Frieza was found by his father, King Cold and transformed into Mecha Frieza. Also whenever Frieza powers up it is shown. Cooler has one more transformation than Frieza.Yes due to Cooler passing to the next tranformation after which Frieza got. ? So, you can't prove me wrong, and just call my arguments logical fallacies, when you can't back up anything you say with any evidence and rely on speculations, man, what a solid logic !!! Cooler has one more transformation than Frieza.Yes due to Cooler passing to the next tranformation after which Frieza got. Today, two villains from the Dragon Ball Z series, who were supposedly killed, return as mechanized versions of their original selves, are going to battle each other to the Death to see who is the Supreior being. "I may be able to take care of him by … Moderated by: SgtMartin, EpicRaptorMan. @alextheboss: My bad. But everything in that fight is noted, every minor change in ki. @apex_pretador: Very nice. Why where the Androids stronger than Mecha Frieza? Even if he lasts that long, he'd be severely damaged. @jtmac005: 100% Frieza isn't slow, but ya he loses energy fast. Mecha Frieza. I really don't see any other point in adding that line. He increased his power for a second for one attack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ETV UW 5AwThe best vennominaga deck ever =)... http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Weakened... ...ound 6.5 billion. It's safe to say that he was stronger than he was on Namek. That's the exact same reason he didn't destroy Namek instantly.... @thedarkpaladin: I agree, there really isn't enough info. His attack might of been full power, but not his body, if you know what I mean. Due to the damage he had gained by Super Saiyan Goku, and the destruction of Namek, Frieza was found by his father, King Cold and transformed into Mecha Frieza. but it is heavily implied that whatever power he was vs trunks, it was his max power. TheMikado I Live Here Posts: 4884 Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:28 pm. Base Trunks' power down wasn't noted? Share Share Tweet Email. From the time he showed up during the Frieza Saga, he has been the most feared and hated villain in the entire franchise. He must have powered up at least a good deal when firing that blast at Trunks as he would have no reason to "go easy" after witnessing his transformation. 1 of 2 Go to page. Also there's that line with Gohan saying that Frieza could get much stronger. As for the power sensing arguement, the Z-warriors don't say that there was a greater power than Frieza, they say there is a power as STRONG as Frieza, making them fairly equal in power. I think the most likely scenario is his blast was powered up but he didn't raise his actual power level. but will he be able to fight him that long? Gohan says Namek freeza 100% >>> Mecha freeza. @redhood_jaytodd: When did organic Frieza not show good durability? The point is, we can't be sure how much power he was using when he fired that blast. I usually don't make it a habit of wasting my time arguing with people who don't even seem to realize when they're using informal fallacies. Mecha Frieza is how he was when he attacked Trunks (if he wasn't at full power he can't power up). So, it didn't happen. Mecha Frieza is like the new and improved version of original Frieza, so I give it to him plus Frieza at 100% has shown not so good durability and has stamina issues. I literally claimed there wasn't enough evidence to be 100% which is very reasonable logic, unlike your own. That's silly logic. It just wouldn't be logical. In this form, he appears as a cyborg version of his true form. Frieza's Japanese voice actor, Ryūsei Nakao jokingly placed Golden Frieza's power level at “one hundred quintillion” (or 1.2 billion times stronger than the Fourth form). Especially when they keep using the exact same fallacies over and over again even after being called on it. Topic: Future Gohan SSJ vs Mecha Frieza. Mecha Frieza constantly mentions that he's new, improved, and stronger than before. mecha frieza was a bit stronger then regular freiza but when he fought trunks I doubt that he was at full power since he would of put up a better fight against him umm well they need to fix his voice cuz it sounds like a girl in the english dub freiza's voice is done by a woman . Frieza, of course, would grow even stronger in Dragon Ball Super , even gaining a new Golden Form that puts him on the same level of power as Goku in Super Saiyan God Form. Determine the cell reaction, the standard cell potential (E0 cell) and the half-cell that acts as the cathode for the voltaic cells composed of the following half-cells. Then he used his supernova which Trunks was able to easily push back, but had to dodge it when it exploded. In this form he appears as a cyborg version of his true form. Also it usually takes time for Frieza to fully power up. Also, the blast wasn't any notable thing as it is "just" marking the start of the fight. just sit on his laurels and enjoy what he’d inherited. I didn't think Mecha wasn't stronger than 100%, just that they'd fight long enough till 100% loses enough power. However, I personally don't believe he was holding back at this point: I never read the manga that much but in the anime it is clear that Frieza feeling it and got impatient. Sure, it can. So someone's personality can't change over time? ...r is actually is stronger than Frieza. frieza died in the begining of the android saga when him and king cold (his dad) go to earth to finish off goku, but the "mysterioust youth" (future trunks) shows up and kills both of them.... How many people are there in the whole world? I kinda remember a scan of him saying he didnt need Cold's help since he increased his power he could kll Goku himself and wanting to show off his new power. Frieza's personality seems to be a counter to Goku's lighthearted, charming, kind, and peaceful one, but it is unknown if this was done intentionally. (You'd think they'd even take into account the fact that he had likely trained, but I'm willing to let the revelation that they didn't slide.) Cyborg frieza wins. He turned out to be … Please read post 24.You may change your opinion after that. Who wins against Cooler vs Frieza… Geralt of Rivia, Dec 16, 2011. Join Community. Base trunks powerup was noted, piccolo power down was noted, freeza's henchmen power down (due to death) was noted. @nishi99: Mecha Frieza is limited from powering up if he has that ability. I think he was stronger than depicted, it's just that Trunks landed a mortal blow by surprise and Frieza had 0 chance to do better. Only noted power ups in that arc were from SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goku as far as I recall. That doesn't necessarily qualify as proof either, though. I didn't think Mecha was much stronger than 100%, just that they'd fight long enough till 100% loses enough power, so I still back him in this fight. Too bad Frieza showed no signs of major personality change whatsoever, so you claiming that he was dumber is based on nothing. I like to think that Piccolo at the time was stronger than Mecha Freeza by a decent margin, but not such a large gap that people who are already stronger than Freeza without absorbing tons of energy still get stomped by Piccolo. My question is, how the hell was Future Trunks able to defeat him so easily? Frieza's Japanese voice actor, Ryūsei Nakao jokingly placed Golden Frieza's power level at “one hundred quintillion” (or 1.2 billion times stronger than the Fourth form). Also cause, you know, cyborg. No sense? Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a Super Saiyan. He is willing to abandon the original plan to wait for Goku and he knows what an SSJ is capable of so there is no reason for him to hold back. He is the Only DBZ villian to have 3 movies baised around him, he was born a Super Sayian, and he's insane. Completely illogical? ...That makes absolutely no sense. Gohan mentions Frieza is suppressed and there is never any mention of him powering up, however having him killed off not at full power doesn't make sense story telling wise. It's known that Dabura was as strong as Cell, and Dabura was done in by Fat Buu, who was weaker then Grey Buu. The death ball is either black or read, usually with electricity around it. @thedarkpaladin: Ya I agree it wouldn't make sense for Frieza to hold back, but he is cocky and probably thought that a kid like that couldn't be as strong as him or Goku even if he was a ssj. The US Bureau of Statistics makes extrapolations from known data, but in undeveloped countries, the population numbers are probably ... ... on which form they are in and if you are including the spin off like the movie where cooler creates an army of meta coolers, each of which has the abilities of the original cooler. Mecha Frieza could probably go 100% buff mode. You could actually make an argument that golden Frieza is stronger than Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta. ;). There is really no way to know for sure. Mecha Frieza, mostly since 100% was slowly losing power. While each new villain in the series is far stronger than the next, Frieza is the only one given the opportunity to improve, and given the opportunity, he becomes one of the strongest fighters in the universe. Not saying organic Frieza wins, but I don't see how you got he has worse durability showings than Mecha Frieza. Surely either Frieza or Cold was stronger than 150 mil unsuppressed to bother coming back to Earth to re-face Goku. Well, the problem is that it’s difficult to really ascertain how strong Golden Frieza is, however, he is very powerful. Also, remember that mecha freeza is nowhere near as smart as namek freeza (He denied blowing up the planet when king cold said so), Lol, what a surprise this is... After using nothing but straw man arguments in our last conversation, you're now using an argument from ignorance fallacy. I'm almost 100% sure that 23rd TB piccolo is a completely different personality than saiyan arc piccolo - no emotions , no weakness to sacrificing his life for a kid of his enemy & android arc vegeta is WAY cockier than saiyan arc vegeta and namek arc vegeta. Time for you to find the name of another logical fallacy because you can't counter me :) :D. So, you can't prove me wrong, and just call my arguments logical fallacies, when you can't back up anything you say with any evidence and rely on speculations, man, what a solid logic !!! @apex_pretador: Yup, I think so. @thedarkpaladin: I wish they made it more clear. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Geralt of Rivia. Not to mention they're bigger, stronger, faster, and have longer claws than the Yao Guai.... Mg2+(aq) + 2e- = Mg(s) E° = - 2.37V Cl2(g) + 2e- = 2Cl-(aq) E° = + 1.36V... yes. Due to the damage he had gained by Super Saiyan Goku, and the destruction of Namek, Frieza was found by his father, King Cold and transformed into Mecha Frieza. Maybe during his final attack. We all know what the Viz Manga says and it's generally regarded as the It's left entirely up to speculation. Does that mean we know base Trunks didn't power down? Mecha-Frieza Was Stronger than He Was on Namek "Papa, if the two of us fight him together, we're sure to beat him." What do you think if he didn't loose energy. The clone of Frieza created by Gero is entirely loyal to it's creator, obeying every order. There is no reason for Frieza to hold back any power after pissing himself at the sight of Trunks' transformation. Weaker: Android 17. Mecha Frieza was much stronger than previously, as, at 50% power he believed that he could easily outmatch a Super Saiyan. Can you also differentiate Death Ball from Super Nova? I am literally just going to copy-paste my answer from another question (asking to rank 17, Gohan, Frieza, Vegeta, and Goku) here. Cold quickly kicks the opponent away, followed by Frieza who backflip-kicks him to the ground. Though your reasoning for why Frieza was smarter on Namek is complete nonsense. Go. He has to use the same power he did against Trunks. Prove what wrong, your argument from ignorance? But which one? From the time he showed up during the Frieza Saga, he has been the most feared and hated villain in the entire franchise. He shot one ki blast, it did nothing. In the anime Frieza seemed to use more of his power. Mecha Frieza Edit. Mechanical Frieza wins. Trunk, had become a Super Saiyan at least one other time before facing Frieza, so there was a little time before then, meaning he could’ve gotten a little stronger. He was said to have gotten stronger than he was on Namek. While his body was damaged in the aftermath of Planet Namek's destruction, Frieza is brought back from the brink of death as a cyborg. All he did was shoot one ki balst. King Cold has been stated to be stronger than both Frieza and Cooler, ... After the short speech Mecha Frieza dashes towards the enemy with his head in the stomach, while King Cold flies up high. :), @apex_pretador: https://kissanime.to/Anime/Dragon-Ball-Z-Movie-15-Fukkatsu-no-F-Dub/Movie-720p?id=117959. I seriously doubt Frieza would hold back at that point. That is completely illogical. @apex_pretador: Very nice. To be fare power ups are usually noted in dragon ball, however it is possible he powered up. Ize's described as being roughly 100 times stronger than Frieza's Perfect Form. mecha frieza is confirmed in both the manga and dbz kai to be stronger than his 100% form. The scans I just posted was Frieza's final attack before being killed. t0sh. 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