Messages: 11 Likes Received: 0. So, if you don’t live in a hot climate, or you don’t care about getting your pistol sweaty, just go ahead and get the cowhide version. How to Get Started in Competitive Shooting: North Carolina Concealed Handgun Permit Renewal. Traditionally, cowhide leather that is unfinished and not moisture sealed will have a tendency to absorb moisture such as sweat from the body when used for concealed carry in the waistband. - Bullhide - these tend to be larger and heavier hides, with heavily wrinkled shoulders. As nouns the difference between horsehide and cowhide is that horsehide is hide of a horse while cowhide is (countable) a hide of a cow. I am not necessarily looking at a leather that will … Find information on Vintage Baseball collectibles, Tips on caring for your Valued Memorabilia collection Price Guide, Dates, and … Put a good coat of even something as simple as mink oil paste, or better yet a good neastfoot oil/beeswax mixture (like crossbreed SHOULD have done) and you’ll notice a big difference. Awesome thanks! The majority of what we run here is cowhide. Nothing worse than a IWB holster that will not conform to your body. Calf hides, as one might assume, are smaller and lighter in weight (less thick) when compared to steer or cowhide. Feb 28, 2010 #3. Also, due to horse being a tougher hide, it also tends to squeak a lot when being worn, so if you want a quiet holster, stick with cow. MLB made the change due to a shortage of horsehide. I’m trying to pick between a Mitch Rosen or a Greg Kramer holster. It is used for everything from motorcycle gear, jackets, vests, gun holsters, saddles, and boots because of its durability, heavy weight, and strength. Premium Black Leather Cowhide. 2.75 oz. This is generally considered to be the best available hide, and there are many other possible grades other than those mentioned above (but for the what we're working on here this is plenty). Lucas is a life long shooter and outdoorsman, avid concealed carrier and competitive shooter, and a lover of pork fat. Some people like heavy draw; some like medium draw; some like a fast, light draw. Bison & Buffalo Leather vs Cow Leather Processing. HNS lots must hit a predetermined average weight and include 5% or less branded hides. Horsehide is much more elastic than cowhide and fits the foot like a soft glove similar to deerskin or elkskin but the toughness of horsehide gives it long life without the disadvantages associated with deer or elk. This gives it a "buttery" or soft surface feel, and makes it easy to damage. Cowhide is also much more readily available. Ever. Horsehide usually does have more natural markings, scars, wrinkles, etc. The Crossbreed was more comfortable, but the mag issue is for me, obviously, a deal breaker. I prefer cowhide for belts and IWB holsters. Wondering if I should go horse, or cowhide? When comparing horsehide to cow/steerhide, there are big differences. The Horsehide I use at least seems to have a silky feel. Today's baseballs are made of cowhide. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Jason and Chris specifically commented that they wanted to hear more about Aero and/or their horsehide jackets. It's also thinner, but tougher so it will feel very different. This is illustrated (below right) where, using the same pressure during the blocking process, the protruding safety-catch on the metal block has pushed through and damaged … Looking for a good iwb holster to carry. The question that really inspired this post was essentially, does horsehide make the best jackets? These are all full grain products. Do your recommended getting ordering your holster lined or not? Holsters & Belts. First posting on forums. The Reckoning Holster is shown (from left to right) in Founder's Series, Black Cowhide, and Horsehide leather. all leather holsters except for hybrids) and don’t do any proper finishing/burnishing to at least give some moisture resistance. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! The strip and the shells are pure vegetable pit tannages, and the horsefront can be tanned either with or without chrome - note: horsefront a.k.a. I'll try and look up pictures when I get home. LOL. TOF Well-Known Member . Horse hide, though, is often more rigid than cowhide, making for a longer break-in. Give me your take. Decided on my IWB.. Crossbread. Jun 23, 2012 #1 . Until 1974, baseballs were made of horsehide. Most of the time it is naturally darker so when dyed it will be darker than a cowhide item of the same color. I have loved it for the few weeks I've had it! I would only say that it makes a different jacket, just like it makes up into a different shoe when compared to other leather options. That is sweat. Even better than your horsehide would be two thin layers sewn top grain out on both sides. Cow/steerhide is more versatile in that it is much more consistent in terms of weight and usable area, which means yields are better. This results in it being more moisture resistant but i have also heard that its a cheaper leather and wont last as long as Cowhide.. Not really. It's sharper and more frequent but you won't get the loose grain associated with low grade cowhides. - Cowhide - these hides are lighter in weight and have "looser" bellies (that is, a more spongy fiber structure that has more stretch). Messages: 316. Cowhide vs Horsehide. Cowhide vs horsehide Discussion in 'Holsters and Cases' started by TC125, Jun 23, 2012. Joined Sep 7, 2006 Messages … The bison hides themselves are much greasier (higher fat content) and tend to have pockets of light weight (thin) areas, especially over the natural hump of the animal's back. When comparing horsehide to cow/steerhide, there are big differences. The primary difference between HNS and a BBS are the number of brands in the lot. Does being smooth side out really help keep less moisture from getting onto the gun? The strip (a.k.a. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. highenuff89. The fact is that skins of an equivalent quality in cowhide would wind up in the garbage-bin. Earlier this week I spent several hours outdoors with temperatures in the mid 90’s, and for the first time I noticed the difference between the cowhide and horsehide: Horsehide is naturally a little less porous than cowhide since the grain is marginally tighter, however, much of the moisture resistance is due to the horsehide (like the bullhide we prefer to use) being a compressed leather with a semi-finish done to the “rough side”. Lightweight, meaning thin, cowhide, though, also makes beautiful jackets. After some research, im noticing some materials being used. Atlanta' used to commemorate the switch from horsehide. Crossbreed doesn’t properly finish their edges anyway, just cut rivet and ship. 30 0. front quarter horsehide (FQHH), double horsefront (DHF), and single horsefront (SHF). If the construction is rough-side towards the body there is little you can do to correct that situation. It integrates a moisture barrier… I live in Florida, so I know heat and humidity. If you really want to understand the differences, speak to someone who works with leather every day, all day, and really understands this sort of thing, like the owner at A Better Belt USA. I get the advantages of horse vs. cow and think horse would be the way to go, but what I want to know is if it is excessively stiff compared to cow. Horsehide used for good holsters, belts and shoes is shell cordovan (mostly from the Horween tannery in Chicago), which is a sub-skin membrane from the hindquarters of the horse (ie, the horse's ass). I had a Kramer horsehide dress belt once. On a well waxed leather piece water will bead up and run off (for a while – LOL). This thicker material is often smoother and less grainy than cowhide, and wears better over the course of time. TC125, Jun … I deliberately say "finer" and not "better" because they are just different, and I wouldn't say that one is necessarily better than the other based solely on grain appearance. _____ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Prima di tutto, essere armati. Baseball's are made of cool stuff that you eat. since cows live longer than their steer counterparts. You may just get converted, LOL. Strength Is buffalo leather stronger than cowhide leather? There are other differences as well. If you don’t want to get your pistol sweaty, go horsehide. TC125 New Member. It was still functional, just ugly. The difference is the draw of the surface as you move your blade along the length of the strop. The grain structure also means that horsehide tends to be more abrasion resistant than cowhide. Cowhide vs Horsehide.....? than cowhide but this is part of its beauty and makes it unique. I’m currently getting a ton of traffic from somewhere on Facebook, mind if I ask where you found this post? In the closeup above, the difference in grain appearance is very noticeable. Cow/steerhide is more versatile in that it is much more consistent in terms of weight and … Goatskin vs horsehide Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by MKL, Feb 9, 2007. This is also an appropriate time to explain the differences between the other types of hides that we process. I’n not an expert by any means. The dressing and type of latigo will make the draw vary but it has a similar feel. After a year or so it was so cracked I couldn't wear it with my suits. I have heard Horsehide is a denser and tighter grained flesh than cowhide. It will break-in and age rapidly, becoming softer as you wear it. - Heifer - this is a cow that hasn't produced any calves, thus the bellies of the hide tend to be heavier than on a cow that has had offspring. One major difference between a cow/steerhide and a calfskin is the appearance of the grain, which tends to be finer on calf. Yeah, I’ll have to do that. The fronts have traditionally been used for jackets because they are tough and thin, making them great for the application. 49 Posts #4 • Jan 17, 2013. Horsehide is less able to take and hold a shape than cowhide but is more durable and less resistant to sweat, scratches and material breakdown. Horse leather also has a coarser grain than cowhide and many feel it has a brighter, more shiny appearance. This is great leather, though it's a little funky to work with due to the shape. Anyone ever heard of Theis holsters? Unfortunately, humidity and constant moisture will permeate almost any leather if given sufficient time. I’ll send you an email. Lambskin is very supple but generally has less tear resistance than goatskin, cowhide, or horsehide. Joined: Oct 16, 2014 Location: Western Suburbs of Illinois. I’ve went on record on the podcast saying that I didn’t think there was really any difference between the two, and for the most part, there isn’t. From a production and yield standpoint, cow/steerhide is always better. The hides also have more natural wrinkles and striations due to the ruggedness of the animal. It's difficult for an amateur to tell them apart until shown samples of each. CCW Horsehide vs cowhide? After wearing the horsehide Supertuck for 3+ years I never noticed it really repelling sweat, so when I won a free Crossbreed holster at a match, I just went ahead and ordered the cowhide version. Horsehide is just too stiff, IMO. My horsehide Supertuck I trimmed down around the mag release so that wasn’t an issue. Buffalo hide grain is more distinct than cowhide leather grain, and gives a project a more earthy or rustic look. Our lambskin is substantial. As a verb cowhide is to flog with a cowhide. Squeaked at first, but now that it's breaking in, it doesn't anymore. Print; Mar 21, 2015 #1 . This would also be far more costly to make, which is probably why it isn’t being done. For us, cow/steerhide is cut and tanned as "sides," and horsehide becomes three separate products. The shell has no grain, the strip in the center has very pronounced and coarse grain, and the two steerhide examples have very fine, but still very pronounced grain. Tanned exclusively for CrossBreed Holsters, our Black Cowhide is a vegetable tanned, drum dyed, 10-12 ounce top grain leather. Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by highenuff89, Mar 21, 2015. If they made a holster with two belt attachments I’d probably try one. As it is though I’m not a huge fan of holsters with a single clip. Horses are reared in smaller groups and receive a higher level of care compared to cows, so their skin is generally free of blemishes or damage which allows tanneries to produce a top quality leather that has a super-fine grain and smooth hand. Works well enough that I can carry with an extended mag release and it never comes undone. The horsefront, the strip, and the shells. The answer is in the eye of the beholder. Any feedback on what y'all like as well as brands you use. I would think if the moisture is making it through the leather, it would make it through either way. I have NEVER had that kind of sweat on my sidearm. I Live in a Very Humid area that gets hot during the Summer and I have never had a problem with my Supertuck Cowhide Holster I love it and recommend it to my students. I was secretly hoping you would chime in when I posted this. ONL baseball stamped 'Cowhide Baseball First Use 4-4-74 Cincinnati Vs. Atlanta' used to commemorate the switch from horsehide. Softness/stretchiness of most areas of horsehide is just as much a function of the whole process as the base tannage. Is horse uncomfortably stiff, as I read somewhere? Horsehide has a coarser grain, huge differences in weight (even across the same hide, and generally is lighter/thinner), is more abrasion resistant, has a different fiber structure, and displays much more variation and natural markings. They will all work to maintain your edge. I have several Kramer holsters in horsehide, and while the cowhide holsters are just fine, the horsehide does tend to last longer and resist the excess stretching or becomming too loose. "Horsehide" is actually muscle tissue, and much smoother and more fine-grained than cowhide, which actually is skin and has visible follicle and sweat-gland markings. Humidity sucks. Heavy Native Steers (HNS) and Butt Branded Steers (BBS) are the hides that we purchase, and these hides are sold and graded based on an average weight. More fibers mean more durability, strength, and flexibility. So I recently obtained my ccw. I loved my Crossbreed for about six months, until I noticed that because of the all leather side, it kept popping the mag release on my M&P compact when I was shifting around in the car. Crossbreed Supertuck Cowhide Vs Horsehide. Even within these classifications there are further categories. Might as well trim it as you want. The highnoon down under with straps is an excellent holster for me. Learn how your comment data is processed. Looking to get some opinions and/or pros and cons for horsehide vs cowhide holsters. Cow leather and bison leather/buffalo leather are both made by skilled artisans in the traditions of centuries past. 1940's Letterman's Jacket - a post WW2 classic.... MORE >> "Aeromarine" Aeromarine - A 1920s Forerunner of the Type A-1... MORE >> "August" August - A 1930s Half Belted Jacket... MORE >> "Barnstormer" Double-breasted 4-pocket coat, four deep pockets, finest Alpaca … Humidity sucks. Thread Tools. Cow and buffalo hides are similar in strength and elasticity; both are the strongest of easily obtainable animal hides, and do not stretch easily, which make them a good choice for upholstery, shoes, or bags. The bison is raised and lives differently. It is also naturally water resistant and non-porous, and also more … Holsters that are skin side to the body (i.e. As a general statement, chrome tannages do yield softer leathers, but retanning and drying methods can yield round, veg-like leathers. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. What would be the advantages of one or the other - horsehide or goatskin? Cowhide with strop dressing has a draw that feels a bit sticky almost as if the razor is being slowed by a coating (which is exactly what is happening) as does Latigo. Horsehide creases very differently from cowhide. Stunning Vegetable tanned Horsehide 577XX TruckerJacket with Troy Mills Blanket lining.... MORE >> 1940's Lettermans Jacket. 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